i discovered the Apo I downloaded from the Apophysis.org site a couple months ago is ooolldd like 2.2 old :-O I'm trying to get a newer one, but strangely can't find a site that has the newer 2.9 I've heard of for proper DL. I did find one site that had a 2.9 for DL, but when I got it, it wasn't a program with an install feature. It just sorta sat on top of my desktop. not even a shortcut. I dumped it into the trash can. It was just weird and didn't have any folders I could access to add the stuff I DL from DA. Meh one of the many weird things I have happen to me with technology *shrugs*